I'm really interested in Cicadas

ADAM SIMON- We're talking with Richard Sullivan who along with Perry Bard was one of the original members of the Wednesday night group.

Let's start by asking you how you feel about this exhibition being up.

RICHARD SULLIVAN- Well, O.K., I'm really interested in Cicadas, these large sucking insects, and this year a seventeen year brood will appear.

AS- Do you think there are implications that could be drawn from dissociationism and applied to society at large?

RS- They're going to appear on the east coast from upstate New York to as far away as South Carolina.

AS- Yeah, but what I mean is, when we talked to the curator of the show he used the word entropy. Do you think that dissociationism is a reflection of the state of entropy that we're reaching at the end of the millennium?

RS- Well, you can imagine that these insects have spent the last 17 years as nymphs, and these little nymphs have been underground sucking, sucking roots.

AS- Well, even though we've talked to David Stone at some length, and talked to various people connected to the movement, I don't feel that we've really gotten to the core of it, can you just summarize dissociationism for us?

RS- Well, the unusual thing about this is that no one has ever discovered any auditory organs among the females.